Sunday, May 30, 2010

I think I Caught a Live One...

Hi Folks

Blessed Trinity Sunday!

I found this in my com box today.  Aside from my excitement of having a comment, I see it could provide me with months of blog-worthy material.

Sadly, I need to eat and sleep:

"Anders Branderud has left a new comment on your post "The Roots of Christianity"

Quote: “ if we have not drifted to far from the Jewish moorings of the Christian faith.”

I want to comment on this. 

Le-havdil, A logical analysis (found in ( is the website of the only legitimate Netzarim-group)) of all extant source documents and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical. 

The original words of the pro-Torah teacher Ribi Yehoshua were redacted by Roman Hellenists, and the redaction is found in the “gospels”. J…. is described in the “gospels”, and le-havdil the teachings of the historical Torah-teacher Ribi Yehoshua from Nazareth are found in the reconstruction (using a logical and scientific methodology to create the reconstruction), Netzarim Hebrew Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu (NHM). 

The historical Jew Ribi Yehoshua is not the same as the Christian Jzus The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a human.

The above website proofs that the roots of Christianity are Hellenism, not Judaism".

Sorry, Anders.  All this website proves is that the writers knew/know very little of Christian History.

The "core message" of the Netzarim says this:

"The original—and only authentic—plan of salvation is found only in Tor•âh′ . Everything subsequent is a supersessionist "pretend salvation" of Displacement Theology."

Included on the website is a  book quoted called "The Da Vinci Code: A Jewish Perspective".  It is written by Rabbi Michael Skobac.

Where to begin?

At the top of page 15 of the excerpt, we are told that the real title of the 'Book of Acts' is "The Acts of the Apostles".  No!  Really?  Any legitimate, English Catholic Lectionary would have told you the same thing.

Rabbi Skobac says:

Jews for Judaism, Da Vinci Code 18

First, a little tangent.  The Gospel writer Luke did not meet Jesus either.  

History is written by the victors.  Should we be surprised?  As Protestantism increased its hold on the Christian world, anti-Catholicism became rampant.

Denying St. Paul's teachings is just 'Historical Jesus'-speak.  Jesus was most definitely a practicing Jew, as 'revealed' on another part of this website.  Paul was Pharisee.  God's salvation plan was for all people, and in order to get the message out (Some Jews will credit Christianity for spreading the Torah.  The Jews were not doing it)  there would have to be some assistance given once Jesus had ascended.  Saul/Paul was a Jewish Pharisee and a Roman Citizen.  His conversion to Christianity gave him a certain authority which made him able to reach the Gentiles.

The excerpt supplied effectively ignores the presence and teaching of Roman Catholic, and later Orthodox, Church during the first 1500 or so years of Christianity's existence.  The excerpt (pg 17) says that Martin Luther did not wish the Epistle of James to be included in the Christian Canon.  Is the writer unaware that the Epistle of James HAD been included in the Christan Canon since the Canon itself was settled (the full Christian Canon) about 1000 years earlier?  This was sanctioned by the Catholic Church!  Martin Luther was an unfortunate and unsettling presence in Christian History, and many Christian have been limping along with a shorter Bible ever since (although not without the Epistle of James!).

The Epistle of James includes teaching very clearly present in the teaching of the Catholic Church.  So who, other than Luther, was trying to mute James?

Besides, what is this to the Netzarim if they believe that Salvation is written completely and exclusively in the Torah, as stated in their core message?

In another part of  the core Netzarim message:

 "The doctrine that Tor•âh′  is the "law of sin and death" is a Christian canard, the epitome of misojudaism"

This is not a "doctrine" I have ever encountered in the Catholic Church. In fact, The Catechism of the Catholic Church says this:

 121 The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.

Also in the 'core message' is a link to the glossary entry "Displacement Theology".

This is also new to me.  Reading the glossary entry, I am linked to "misojudaism".  We are told here that Christianity is antinomian.  Wrong again! Catholicism actually considers antinomianism to be a heresy.

This is all I can deal with for now.  If anyone cares to look at the site, please feel free, but be warned!

PS  The spacing of the lines you are seeing is NOT what is in my compose box.  Sorry for the spaciness...

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